“All the elements that could have played a role, they were playing.”
I love that twist we get of how the first flashback is not exactly how it happened.
This also feels like the youngest we’ve ever seen Alberta.
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We actually went to college together.
They may just cause some shenanigans, and they may make things just a little bit more complicated.
That flashback was really important for me because we get to see Alberta’s Tulsa roots.
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I have to say that we also were filming in negative nine-degree weather.
[Laughs] We filmed in Montreal, and not everyone is going to know that.
We’re doing a flashback of Tulsa, and I was so excited.
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They’re like, Also, it’s going to be negative nine degrees.
But you will have coats, and you will have heating pads.
The crew wanted to get home because they were like, It’s cold!
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Lets wrap it up!
So, we didn’t have many opportunities to shoot a lot.
But he was amazing.
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We were fighting snow because, in one of his takes, it started snowing.
All the elements that could have played a role, they were playing.
You mentioned the costumes a little bit.
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When I came back to Montreal from Thanksgiving, that was the first thing we did.
And we know that Alberta is a fashion girly.
I mean, look what she died in.
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Shes literally in crushed velvet!
Shewouldbe wearing fur on her way to the big city, to New York.
I also noticed that this episode has a Black director and a Black writer.
I want to give you just a moment to celebrate those behind-the-scenes voices for this episode.
PINNOCK: It was very coincidental that this all happened.
It just goes to show you that in this show, representation really does matter.
So, it was great.
I have to say, going to work every day felt like I was at a family reunion.
I was just like, This kind of Black excellence, I’mlivingfor it!
It was a blast to shoot this episode.
I love the scene of you two singing together again.
It’s so beautiful.
It brought a tear to my eye.
PINNOCK: First of all, Alberta’s been getting bullied for her power this entire season now.
I remember when we first sang because we didn’t have much time to learn the song.
I think we had maybe about 48 hours, and we had an excellent coach.
I was like, Oh my gosh, can I do it?
All I wanted to do was make everyone proud.
I’m like, I want to prove that I can do this.
We can finally do it.
And she and I have the same kind of work ethic, so we were just drilling that song.
So, we were drilling that song.
I’m like, Oh my gosh, is this her with me?
Or I would havedreamsabout her.
For a lot of people who have lost loved ones, thats what’s so special about this show.
It was just a celebration of life.
Will We Get More Musical Moments for Alberta on ‘Ghosts’?
“I would love to see Alberta rap.”
I really love the song choice.
It feels so perfectly Alberta.
It’s such a beautiful way to both connect to them and to get that specific message to Alicia.
Youve gotten to sing a couple this season.
PINNOCK: I would love at some point to sing Misty, that would be definitely something.
PINNOCK: I think something where she’s like, What is this rap?
Like, what is this hip-hop thing?
And then she just like, does U-N-I-T-Y by Queen Latifah.
That’s the great thing about these characters, they can expand in any way.
And this universe it just lends itself to just so many shenanigans.
So yes, her discovering Lauryn Hill or Queen Latifah or Doechii would be a dream.
I would love to see Alberta rap.
I mean, it would be iconic.
It’s so iconic.
I think I’m jumping off that a little bit.
I am such a playlist person.
I make playlists all the time.
I’m wondering, do you have a playlist for Alberta?
PINNOCK: I do, so there’s a ton of Ella Fitzgerald on there.
There’s a lot.
There’s Ma Rainey, there’s Billie Holiday, John Coltrane.
I have Miles Davis on there.
It’s very jazz-forward.
But then I also have just kind of some empowering tracks.
You may find some Ariana Grande.
She has the range!
PINNOCK: You might find some Defying Gravity, by Cynthia Erivo on there.
So I mean, Defying Gravity is all up and through that playlist for sure.
I love that so much.
We’ve had so many hilarious little nods to Albertas backstory, as well, this season.
That had me in tears!
PINNOCK: Oh my God, I know!
And I was like, Huh?
Literally, I told the Joes.
So, I cannot wait to know.
This woman is such a con artist and such a scammer.
I’m like, Who is the real Alberta?
Howd she get this name?
That’s the beauty for Seasons 5 and 6.
I feel like we’re just tapping at the surface.
You know what I mean?
PINNOCK: Oh my gosh, you know what?
I would love that!
To do a play within a play would be amazing.
I’m like, Can we get a little SWV moment for theGhostsgirls?
I would love that.
This is actually what I will say, it just clicked.
I want to see Alberta and a few of the ghosts end up in hell by accident.
[Gasp] I love it!
PINNOCK: I want to see what that would look like.
Who are the characters that are in hell?
You know what I mean?
What is Lucifer looking like?
Is it just like Olive Garden, with like endless cheese?
Who is the band that’s playing?
We know its Chumbawamba.
What is going on down there for real?
And if they get trapped and stuck, that would be, I think, absolutely a great misadventure.
So, yeah, we’ll see.
But they know better than us.
And so I’m alon for the ride.
I’m just here for the ride.
I love that so much.
With Rose hopping behind the camera this season.
I’m curious if you have any interest in directing.
And now, you mentioned this spec script.
Do you want to write an episode?
What are you interested in doing behind the scenes?
I would also love to write an episode.
And I have to say, Rose was an incredible director to work with.
She is so on it and has such a clear vision and is so motivating and inspiring.
But I love this show, and I love that CBS is championing us to do these things.
It means a lot.
That makes me so happy.
Hopefully, with the two seasons, you guys will all get to explore those things.
PINNOCK: Fingers crossed!
We’re manifesting it.
This episode ends on a pretty big cliffhanger, with Chris the stripper crashing into the roof.
Can you tease anything about this new addition to the house or next week’s episode?
It feels like we’re getting a lot of big character moments this season.
Should we be worrying about anyone getting sucked off?
And I hope they just stay tuned because the payoff is worth it.
That sounds so exciting.
PINNOCK: Honestly, in these episodes, people are in for a ride.
I want people to just brace themselves.
So, I will say that I love this season a lot.
They’ve expanded us in so many different ways.
A ghost that I want to highlight is Sasappis, played by Roman Zaragoza.
I think Roman has done an excellent job this season.
He’s singing this season, he has a love interest, he’s going into these dreams.
I know that he’s wanted more.
No, that’s great.
I need a Sasappis episode soon!
PINNOCK: There’s so much more to come.
I’m excited for our audiences to see it.
It’s a great season.
I love the scene on the subway with him singing.
Youre sort of managing the dream from the sidelines.
PINNOCK: Absolutely nuts.
She’s like, We’re going to get this wedding called off!
It’s so funny.
It was truly a treat.
You’ve had some really hilarious one-liners and short bits.
Im curious if you have a favorite joke from this season.
PINNOCK: Oh, God!
When I say, Shut up, Flower.
It is the funniest thing.
I want to see more of that Alberta/Flower dynamic in the future.
How are they friends?
How do they connect?
Because Sheila Carrasco is my best friend in real life, and so I would love that.
There’s so much more to come with her character, as well, too.
And on that note, I want to end by saying congratulations on your NAACP Award.
You and this cast honestly deserve all the awards.
I’m manifesting Emmys in all your futures.
PINNOCK: Thank you!
And to be celebrated by people that look like me is just the highest honor that I can have.
GhostsSeason 4 is currently airing on Thursdays on CBS.
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